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of cisco, having the experience that you've had at yahoo! tell me how you see the environment changes and where specifically you would expect growth to happen in technology in the next five years. >> well, i think technology in general -- probably the biggest challenge is not so much the social interactions but everybody's talking so much about data. data is very, very hard to mine correctly. so i think you're going to see a push back towards a lot of enterprise apps that really figure out how it get information to the companies so they can actually be more personalized for the user, but easy to say, a lot to do. >> and really quick, on what you're seeing out there, how tough is europe right now for technology? what are you seeing in terms of the global slow down? >> well, europe continues to baffle us in general in technology. it looks like it's getting softer, not stronger. you know, companies that diversified over the past 20 years do make sure they had good portfolios in all the regions, you know, are taking a hit now with europe. i think it's broad based, so it shouldn't be a kno
clients, the environment you want to stay is diversified as possible. i think this last quarter was a great example of that. europe, everybody looks at the negative in europe, yet it was a good place to be. spread your bets out right now. >> so do you expect that we are at this point going to see pretty good guidance, tough guidance? what about that guidance that you're looking for in. >> yeah, i think that's going to be the big question here. i think today's a great example of that. you have alcoa, the traditional capital goods manufacturing cyclical versus a yum brands, which is going to tell you maybe how the global consumer is doing. even the guidance we're going to get today may very well set the tone for what kind of messaging we get this earnings season. >> i want to tell you that alcoa is out three cents a share, actual earnings. expecting a flat showing. so it looks like it's better than expected. we are looking at a pop in the stock as these numbers are released. of course, we want to get more details on the quarter. revenue coming in at $5.8 billion versus an estimate
with the fact that we're in, to put it lightly, a highly unusual climate and environment right now with long-term interest rates being held at 0% for quite some time. >> well, one of the ironies and one of the sad elements of glad path and target date strategies today is they are pushing people more and more heavily into bond at a time when bond yields with more negative. you're not making money, you're losing money by investing more and more in bonds. so we wind up becoming enablers of bad behavior in washington and supporters of that bad behavior by buying more and more of the bond when yields are negative. >> bob, have you a wonderful reputation and a great record built around the idea that you turn conventional wisdom inside out, whether it's fundamental indexing or this assault on the conventional thinking in target date funds. but i wonder what the real risk to the fund business is if these target date funds -- which certainly imply that you're going to have a set amount of money on a certain date. what if they don't work out and what should the assumptions be if i'm an investor on wha
. there's a lot of target-rich environment for president obama. what about this tax plan. is president obama obligated to supporters to point out to them that this is flawed? what do you think? >> i think the moderators are going e to ask governor romney about a lot of the things that you just talked about. i hope the moderator gives governor romney a chance to do what paul ryan said he didn't have time to do and that is explain how they pay for a $5 trillion tax cut. as you pointed out, ed, it is a time problem that is vexing in this budget. it's a math problem. they can't pay for it. if they can't pay for it, then they are going to raise taxes on the middle class. that's what the economic studies have shown. and look, i don't know anybody who thinks we're another tax cut for a millionaire away from a stronger middle class. that's just not how we have built our economy before and it's not how we're going to continue to make our country strong now. >> will president obama confront romney on these issues or rely on the debate moderator to do it? how aggressive will the president be? >>
. the environment has gotten such a got you environment that even the politicians themselves and regulators have to do their business with one eye over the shoulders for fear of being dragged into some congressional committee or they'll be exposed for having to talk to leaders. so i think this idea of working together, i think in order to allow people to work together, there has to be a little bit of a letup. another thing is you can't kill people if everything doesn't work out perfectly. who the heck is going to take the jobs in business and government. you'll always get people that want to be ceo and senator and cabinet secretaries, but it might not be the people you want if you make it so punishing for them to take the job and unsustainable to be in the job because who gets it right all the time? >> that's actually an important distinction. john chambers and i were talking about it. in business, you take risks. some of them work out. some of them don't. in government, it's very difficult to take risks because if something goes badly, you're going to get pilloried for it. there's no particular
are taking risks. >> oh, sure, in this environment, i mean, you know, we're watching liquidity like a hawk because there's great sense tomorrow morning it could go the other way, in effect you don't invest as much, you don't take as much risk. >> how would you counter the argument that businesspeople and the wealthy have had their way for the past 2030-years as they've increased their lead in terms of income disparity and gotten richer and richer, and you would have hoped that some of that would have trickled down, if it works you would have hoped the average person would have participated in the good times and haven't and you need a president that is going to come in for the powerless people that aren't able to set policy and pay to go do things and you need someone that will represent them in the future. how was is that pretty damned good? >> yes, sir. >> you can take this. thank you for writing it for me. >> i'll get you a job at "the new york times." the reality is as follows. the whole focus has been on how the quote, one percenters or ten percenters, how the top earners moved ahead o
environment, some big market changes, but you have a management team now who has a handle on the problems, who knows what to do. we've got a plan to fix this company. and i think investors have to decide, gee, do they think that hp can turn this ship around? do they believe in the management team? do they believe in our employees? do they believe that customers want hp to win, which i can tell you they do. and do they believe in the product lineup? we spent quite a bit of time yesterday at our analysts day talking about the coming products in each of our divisions. we showed our new pc lineup. we showed -- talked about our multifunction printers. we talked about ink in the office, ink advantage. we talked about our new, very energy efficient arm-based servers that i think could revolutionize the server market. we talked about three par and storage as well as we're the leader, really, now in the development of sdm, software-defined networking. so products are going to be a really important part of how we bring hp back. and investors got to look at that whole story and say, gee, do i think this
's get straight to the markets and talk about investing in this environment. gentlemen, good see you. thank you so much for joining us. dan, let me kick this off with you. what do you think happened at end of the day today? seems this market has been trading on some worries last several sessions. yet, we did see some optimism at end of the day. >> absolutely. it's a case of perhaps, you know, still do not fight the fed. what we were watching specifically was apple. you mentioned it. we were looking for support on the stock at around 650. wouldn't you know it, it hit their intraday lows. they don't want to see that stock drop. the interesting thing with that is, you know, apple is a bell weather that's really driving the nasdaq 100, driving a lot of these larger cap benchmarks we follow. if you keep that buoyed, you're going to keep the markets buoyed going forward. >> that's a really good point. i guess, david, for those fund managers who have not owned apple, they're going to be playing catch up fourth quarter so their fund looks better by year end, right? >> it's possible. you have
from lori, with gas at over 4 bucks a gallon and laws working to protect our environment, could we start drilling in the u.s. rather than buying outsourced oil. linda, what do they plan to do about the deadly problem of gun violence in this country, how to make it harder for dangerous people to get them. thanks for your comments. facebook.com/carolcnn if you want to continue the conversation. i'm carol costell you. thank y thank you for being with me. "cnn newsroom" continues now with ashleigh banfield. >>> most important, anticipation of the first face-off is a mile high. in ten short hours, the president and his republican challenger are going to share this stage for 90 minutes of give and take on issue number one. and a few other domestic policy flashpoints as well. the economy is due to take up three of the six segments that are laid out for tonight, with one segment each devoted to health care, the role of government and leadership/governing style. and by a pretty wide margin going in right now, the voters expect president obama is going to outdebate his opponent, but both men
be operating under a very different environment. >> don i'm going to ask you the same question? do you have a different investment strategy and president obama than president romney. >> complete fork in the road. this is a no-brainer. you don't even have to drill down to the sector level. all about the fiscal cliff. if romney is elected president, we're not going to have a short-term fiscal cliff problem because he's not going to veto extending the bush tax cuts. and the republicans aren't going to give him so hard a time hiking the debt ceiling. if obama is elected, he has said over and over he will veto any extension of the bush tax cuts that includes extending the tax cuts for the rich. the house, on the other hand, insists on all the tax cuts being extended. if they can't agree, all tax cuts go away. 5% of disposable personal income is ripped from the economy. the republicans take their vengeance by not raising the debt ceiling. we are back in a great recession mid january. which this country can't take. we can't take it. >> we've wasted all our recovery resources four years ago in the
stocks keep making all-time highs in this environment? >> with us today are sam stovall and our own bob pisani. sam, it's going to come down to earnin earnings, right, which starts tomorrow? >> tomorrow. the bar is not just set low, it's set below, under water. >> below dirt. >> off the lows. capital iq is forecasting a 1.3% deline. it was down to 1.8%. big deal. i think some of the numbers underneath are a little more telling, such as right now the early beat ratio at 58% is below the average of 62%. in terms of guidance, those that are guiding negatively are 3.3 to 1 for those guiding positively. >> that sounds very negative for the stock market. >> well, i think it's baked in right now, or a lot of that is probably baked in. the real question is, whether we're likely to be seeing qe3 as the trough -- >> how can it be baked in if we're sitting at 4 1/2 year highs? how is that baked in? >> exactly. >> i think nothing is really new. what has come out yet that's going to tell us things are a lot worse than we anticipated? materials are expected to show 20% earnings decline. energy down 1
environment where price discovery has been destroyed because the price of money is fake and artificial and not real. >> peter, how are you investing in this environment ten? what are you doing in terms of allocating capital? >> well, you have to -- from the big picture fed perspective, you want to be protecting yourself in non-dollar assets and hard assets and commodities, precious metals, commodities that defends yourself against what the fed is doing. i think earnings will disappoint, not only for q-3, but also the guidance for q-4, so you have to be defensive over the next four weeks. >> everybody talks about the most hated rally. i know i coined that. while money has been coming out of stock mutual funds, there has been money going into etfs and high-yield bond funds. they're not really bond funds. in times of volatility, they act like stock funds. people are seeking alternatives in stock-like instruments. >> bob makes a great point about high yield. we have seen a virtual stampede into high yield. investors have to sell their soul to get 3% today. all is not well on the anniversar
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are not just the risks we take. the environmental is such a "got you" environment even the regulators have to do their business with one eye over the shoulders for fear of being dragged over the national committee and having to be skboesed to talk to leaders. i think in order to allow people to work together, there has to be a little bit of a let-up. another thing is you can't kill people if everything doesn't work out properly. who the heck is going to take the job whether in business or otherwise. it might not be the people you want if you make it so punishing for them to take the job and so unsustain tobl be in the job because who gets it right all the time? >> that's actually an important distinction. john chal bers and i wither talking about it. in business, you asigh you take risks. some of them work out. some of them don't. in government, it's very difficult to take risks because if something goes badly, you're goingo get pilleried for it. the balance that you worry about is very different, right? >> it is. business has an advantage that we know if we don't take risks, there's low c
to start of your business in the current economic environment with all the new regulations? >> i speak to my terms as governor of new mexico. in the last year they came out with a report card on presidential candidates and who had the best record on job creation. that was me. my response was the same as when i was governor of new mexico. i didn't create a single job as governor of new mexico. the private sector does but i controlled all the agencies and appointed heads of all the agencies and controlled rules of regulations. they got better on a daily basis. less time and less money to comply with rules and regulations were not going to make anybody more saves for healthier. dave: i love to hear a politician say i didn't create jobs, the private sector did. god bless you on that one. governor gary johnson. great to see you, thank you for coming and again. >> great to be on with you. dave: who is to blame for the financial crisis? john allison bleed religion in the banking industry, says he can prove a was too much government. not too little that is to blame. john allison, joining us. c
earnings are not correlated with the macro environment. ubs writes that alexion is a significant double-digit growth driver but uses the orphan drug model where pricing and reimbursement are insulated, the biotech is up a whopping 400% over the past three years. keep in mind this is a speculative takeout target. another standout stock, gilead sciences is up 70% year-to-date, ubs has it as its top large tech biotech pick, it's attractively trading to a discount to the biotech sector, biogen up 50% in the past year thanks to its strong earnings performance and anticipation riding behind its multiple sclerosis drug bg12 which could get approval by year's end. another is buyout speculation. the firms are on the hunt for under the radar biotech firms, bristol-myers among others making big bets. andrew you've been following that as well. >> thank you for that report. lot of beta. see if there's any alpha. >>> in the next hour of "squawk box" former ubs american chairman robert wolf will join us to talk financials, jobs and the election, mr. obama's favorite banker. and later health care, a ma
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's never said before or if he wants to save that stuff for a more controlled environment. that will tell us as much about his temperament and his strategy as it will about his plans. let me bring in lawrence o'donnell, chris. lawrence is in the spin room tonight, which i think has yet to begin to spin. lawrence, what do you think the expectations are on both sides tonight? >> reporter: well, rachel, in this room, there are a lot of $10,000 bets going on behind me about what the president is going to say tonight and what mitt romney is going to say tonight. i think the rules actually favor president obama because there are almost no rules. they are going to do two-minute statements, they're each going to get two minutes at the beginning of the subjects that jim leherer will introduce. and discussing not policing 30-second rebuttals and 60-second statements. none of that red light stuff with the clocks and all of that stuff. and when you're in mitt romney's position, where he's actually trying to hide some things, trying to hide the details of the deduction side of his tax plan, he's still hi
the environment and so on, but nothing is the same anymore because my personal life has been destroyed. and so -- and destroyed because of stupidity, bad decision making, and huge failure on my part. and made a lot of people suffer because of that. so all of that is always on my mind. >> have you been taken aback by the extremity of some of the reaction? people treating you almost will like a mass murderer, you know, how dare you commit this hideous crime, when actually you did what millions of men have done. i'm not excusing it, defending it, anything. i'm just trying to put it into some type of context, that at times you've been so battered by this. have you felt it's been too much or not? >> you know, i never tell the press what to write and what to say. i mean, they do what they do, and i do what i do. you know, i think that it is my doing. they didn't create the story. no one out there created the story. i created it. it's my doing. now, i did not ever experience the severity that you just explained, but then again, you like to be a little over the top. that's okay. >> and you're probably
-rich environment and i think he should take the targets. >> what kind of vibe do you expect? >> aggressive biden. >> shameless plugs? >> i'm going to plug eli lake, all over this libya story. >> yes, he has. >> another one today on information that e-mails come paining about the security of the embassy there. he's a must read every day. >> security situation and all fingers point to the state department. >> i'm going to be original and plug dean progress at 150,000 -- 160,000 followers and hoping for to 0,000. >> twitter? >> yes. i'm on twitter. on twitter. >> help you with the plug. >> issues week of "the washington post" every day we're doing a big take-out two pages on the differences between the candidates on the issues. >> today is? >> economy. >> thank you very much. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown. "tomorrow, four weeks until election day and another way to show off bells and whistles but we have something new. the new decision act. bye-bye. >>> this is your business travel forecast. chilly air will continue to sit there and with sunshine in the afternoon. still only in t
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700,000 jobs. i don't want to kill jobs in this environment. i want to make one more point. >> let him answer the tax thing for a moment. >> okay. >> mr. president. >> well, we've had this discussion before. >> well, in order -- about the idea to reduce the deficit, there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> there has to be revenue in addition to cuts. >> mr. romney has rule out revenue. >> look, the revenue i get is by more people working, getting higher pay, paying more taxes. that's how we get growth and balance the budget. the idea of taxing people more, putting more people out of work, you will never get there, you never balance the budget by raising taxes. spain spends 42% of their total economy on government. we're now spending 42% of our economy on government. i don't want to go down the path of spain. i want to put more americans to work. >> mr. president, in order to get the job done, it is going to be balanced? >> if we're serious, we have to take a balanced, responsible approach. by the way, this is not just when it comes to individual taxes, let's talk about corporate
the procedures. joe down in mission control is talking to you. you know you're in a hostile environment. and you cannot think about anything else. you have to be focused, otherwise you're going to die. >> reporter: i asked kitinger whose record from jumping from 102,000 feet has stood for 52 years, if he has a tinge of jealousy. >> he's advancing science and he'll do a great job. >> reporter: and that's key here. the records mean a lot. but what this team wants to get out of this is the scientific and aerospace advancements. they want to see if that suit that felix is going to wear is going to be the next generation spacesuit, to see if people can survive outside a space vehicle inside event of a malfunction. >> what a soir, brian, thank you. >>> you're in "the situation room." happening now, mitt romney says president obama is leading from behind. but he isn't the first to use that description. we have the reporter who heard it first from a member of the obama administration. >>> we also have inside information about vice president joe biden's preparations for his crucial debate with paul ryan.
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that support such a move? >> think the baseline for us is essentially more of the same, but in an environment in which earnings are still pretty good and interest rates are still very, very low. i think the baseline forecast does support higher equity prices from here. i do think it's quite bimobile. i think that the alternative scenario to the baseline is one that's significantly worse because we do get a much bigger hit from the fiscal side, but on the baseline, it's supportive. >> i'm really quite confused here and the economy created 114,000 jobs and there's so much noise about the various aspects of the survey. and i'm not sure. 114,000 jobs create side bad, isn't it? that's very, very disappointing. >> it's lackluster, i would say. >> don't we have to -- typically say we have to generate 200,000 to deal what's happening with the population. isn't that usually where we are? why are we not there today? >> to keep the unemployment rate stable you need about $100 and the participation doesn't change. anything over 100,000 will push it over time. under 14 it would be extremely slowly so that
in the washington media environment. it's not the number one issue for american -- >> real quick, i'm sorry. i watched the debate with 400 people in the room, comedy fans, regular folks, they paid $8 to watch the show, who are the 47%. we came off that tape, a week of it. those people really felt like why wasn't that addressed? they talked about it. we had a discussion. that is us. that is the biggest thing, half of the nation was disregarded by romney and that doesn't come up? wow? >> that was probably the most striking thing from the moderator, the president, mitt romney himself. he might have brought it up. he was on handy the night after it. i hope we see whoever is -- that the people who are moderating the next debates think okay, we have that territory. it's been covered. there's a lot of stuff out there that we need to get the candidates on the record on. it's the opportunity that you never have when you are covering a campaign. i would love to have every candidate and on the record of a variety of issues. peter welsh from vermont, lizz thank you for joining us this morning. >>> "the ne
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for an individual woman is being able to create the kind of environment where she is content. that she believes she's dedicating the time she needs if she has children to those children and to her career. but i do think there is -- there is an importance in having larger numbers at the top because, let's be honest. women leaders are often different. to have a mix of both male and female at the top of a corporation i think is a really important mix. >> mitt romney has said that he plans to propose eliminating funding for pbs. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird. >> the national endowment of the arts, should he be elected president of the united states. of course pbs is where sesame street airs for people who watch it domestically. what do you think of the proposal? >> sesame street is a nonprofit organization and also a nonpartisan organization. i don't want to be critical of any camp. the perception that gives is a little bit misleading. because while we we have been on pbs for some 43 years, and we're partners and support i have of i
and the environment. we're america's natural gas. >>> two nfl elite quarterbacks faced off. tom brady led the patriots on more than four scoring drives of more than 80 yards and many called without a huddle. they led by 31-7 in the third quarter. peyton manning through tore two touchdowns but a failed attempt sealed the fate. patriots win 31-21. the former team, the indianapolis colts were wearing chuck strong t-shirts for their heads coach. les than a minuting to, andrew luck connects with wayne and wayne reaching into the end zone and the colts win 30-27. >>> baltimore is back in baseball's playoffs for the first time since 1997 and the yankees spoiled the return last night. the home run ignited a fourth inning and yankees 7, orioles 2, and game two in baltimore. the washington nationals won their first playoff game ever. the two-out single in the eighth scored two runs and they held to to beat st. louis 3-2. gonzalez was wild and gave up seven walks. the nats reliever stymied the cards in the other game last night, the reds beat the giants. >>> the next hour of "cnn newsroom" starts right now. >>>
, basically small businesses are just not growing in this environment and big businesses are chasing profits abroad. so the government is just not getting the tax take on that front. in the asset classes, you can see some of the levels not that good at the moment. bundes still attracting a lot of attention. we've been waiting on spain to fishlgly l-- officially ask fo that aid. nonetheless, we're not seeing too much pressure on the periphery, 5.75%. let me send it back to you. >> thank you very much. the first presidential debate. john harwood is on the ground in denver. he joins us with the latest nbc news "wall street journal" poll. it looks like things are starting to even out at least a little. is this the bounce that president obama got after the democratic convention coming back down? >> well, i think it's the bounce from the convention and the surge that he got on top of the convention with that 47% video, so there is some good news for romney. not only our national poll, but also in the swing state polls that we do with "the wall street journal" and maris college. take a look at the
you have certainty, i think you'll have what feels like a very flat environment. >> i hesitate to call it the new normal other than i do believe is that a new nbc show that i could plug quickly? isn't it a new -- hell of a show. and it allowed -- helped us win the sweeps. >> do you watch "mad men"? >> i haven't yet. is that based on you? you're much better looking and that guy. >> joe, if i was better looking than jon hamm, i'd be in your seat. >> very subjective. and to me, you are. >> that's why we have this mutual admiration society. but it is an unbelievably good show and sort of a reflection of what advertising was like in the 60s and 70s. >> but it also is a reflection of how we -- the shows that i am absolutely addicted to, i watch when i want. boardwalk empire or homeland or -- >> if you watch the newsroom or suits, they are great. those two are superb. >> and that's what worries me because these are nudity and language and all that, and i'm wonder can go a network compete. but maybe this revolution is -- i grot ot to check it out. >> one of the things we talked about last time
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